Making a simple box with a left aligned title was ok in V8. V8 added a space to the left of the text, so the title would not stick to the edge of the frame. However V9 does not add a space. Adding it manually also does not help, because leading spaces get removed from the title. Sure i can shift it horizontal, but than the background shift with it, leaving an ugly gap. So what i want is simple. If you look at the sample (V9) you can see it's ugly as te text is completely left in the boxtitle. (as said, V8 added a space) If i shift the title to the right, the background shift with it. I only want the title to shift with 1 space! Greetz, Rik